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publisher. she suffered a serious stroke in january. again, 85 years old. >> a reminder that the stories that you have seen today, we continue to update throughout the day. so take a peek at our website, aljazeera.com. again, that's aljazeera.com. keep it here. thanks for your time. >> hi. i am lisa fletcher. you are in thestream. dozens of checkpoints are popping up across the country, some as far as 100 miles from the actual border. some say it's a violation of their constitutional rights. we will check out the online movement that they started. >> correct me if i am wrong. did i stumble into mexico or still in the united states? >> plus futurists predict that by 2020, we will have our own digital twin. performing rudismary tasks and con consoleing our loved ones after we are gone. later, a look back at the issues
around hashtag campaigns like bring back our girls. where are they now? did they lead to meaningful change? >> dictal producer and co-host bringing in all of your feedback. whenever we talk about these border checkpoints, whether they are right at the border or a few miles or at the 100 miles in, it's always divide opinions. i think some depends upon geography. >> devisive. everyone is stopped now patrick leahy got stopped south of new york. >> i guess you could argue nobody is discriminating? >> some would say that. others would disagree. until our community, marissa said on facebook this is happening at all of the aboveders in the north, not just a southern issue but laura says this actually might be a good
thing. why would this be a problem? there has to be checkpoints, especially when you are closer to border areas. funny how now everything is an issue, and this is definitely a con 10scious issue. >> it is standard procedure to show your pass poured at airports and land borders shared with mexico andcapped. how would you feel if you were asked to prove your citizenship within the united states? there are about 71 border patrol checkpoints across the southwestern u.s. that are several miles from the border. in some cases, they are even up to 100 miles away. the border patrol says they are set up to ensure community safety reducing the ability of works, quote, criminals and potential terrorists to easily travel away from the border. but some americans who frequently encounter these checkpoints say it infringes on their constitutional rights. they call themselves border patrol refusers and they post hundreds of videos on youtube filming themselves declining to answer any agent's questions. >> how are you doing today, sir? >> good.
>> are you citizen? >> that's my business. >> well, it's our business to ask. are you a citizen or not? >> you can ask. that's fine. >> and you have to answer. >> no. >> i will detain you until you can tell me? >> i don't have to answer you because i have a right as an american. >> go ahead and pull over there behind that other vehicle. would you do me a favor? >> no thanks. >> the officer did eventually let him pass through but exchanges like this raise the question of the legality of these checkpoints and what broader impact they are having on communityies. is the government overstepping its authority o or are measures like this necessary for safety? >> from austin texas is mario loyola a contributing editor to the national review. from tucson, arizona, james dustlile a boarder litigation attorney for the american civil liberties attorney from arizona. he works on civil and human rights violation cases. out of tucson terri brethy who says he has been stopped by border patrol more than 300 times and frequently films his
check find out refusals. his youtube channel has gotten close to 2 million views. terri, first of all, you say you have stopped by border patrol more than 300 times. why and over what period of time? >> sure. well the border patrol first set up a checkpoint along a route that i frequent to go back and forth to a remote worksite and the route is the state route 86 in southern arizona near mile marker 146.5, which is just a few miles outside of three points, arizona. what's interesting about the location of this checkpoint is that it is set up along the secondary route that runs east to west. it never intersects the border at any point. my remote worksite doesn't take me down to the border. in fact i am about 40 miles away. but since 2008, i have had to go through this checkpoint on the order of about 50 to 60 times every year. so that puts me somewhere between 350 to 400 checkpoint
stops since the inception of this particular tactical or temporary checkpoint back in 2008. >> all right terri. i want to play a clip that you provided to us of you refusing to comply with the agent's question. >> agent gilmore, am i being detained? answer the question. >> you have not answered my question, sir. >> i don't move to answer your question. am i being detained. >> there is your pamphlet sir? >> i am not interested in your pammit. >> the law. the law right there. >> go ahead and stick it in please. >> now terri, some people might be watching that saying why are you being so difficult? >> well, you know one of the fundamental principles of individual rights in this country is that you have a right to travel freely around the country without having your travels interfered with by armed government agents unless those agents have a reason to believe that you have done something wrong. so, the idea of those checkpoints inside the country away from a national border is
very problematic at best. and suspicious checkpoints are based upon the premise that a, they are set up under the idea that anyone who is being stopped initially, there is no reason to believe that person has done anything wrong, yet armed border patrol agents are under the threat of force seizing people under the fourth amendment because every checkpoint strop represents a fourth amendment seizure. they are demanding people prove innocence r. >> you are a constitutional lawyer. is something illegal going on here? is the fourth amendment over claimed in these sorts of issues? >> yeah, the fourth amendment is over claimed in these sorts of issues. that's well put. the fourth amendment provides american citizens and residents in the united states with very important protection but it's not like santa claus for civil liberties lawyers. it only covers a specific set of things. and, you know, to say that we can't have border checkpoints to
control for residency status or citizenship status anywhere except at a port of entry is basically the same as saying that the country, that the government of the united states has no constitutional way to enforce the laws against illegal immigration. right? because i willlel immigrants are not going to be crossing over at a port of entry. they are going to be crossing, for example, the rio grande explain in the hinterland and the logical place to control for that kind of traffic is at a roadway that's, you know 20s miles, 50 miles inland. so, i think that a check, you know, the united states might be the only country in the world where you can even claim that the police don't have a right to check for your papers. i mean the owners of this television station, for example, in qatar, i assure you that everyone in qatar knows that the police when they ask for your papers,
you better produce them very fast. and so that's how it is in most countries in the world. and, you know, in the united states what's extraordinary about the united states is that a recent supreme ruling to the effect that state and local police don't have a right to ask for those papers. i find that to be very problematic. >> speaking of civil lib we can at this check out my screen the aclu called the government's 100 mile border, it's all around, even coastal area 197 million people live within 100 miles of the u.s. land and coastal borders and we actually have on youtube, lisa type in border patrol checkpoint refusalal. check out these video. we asked our community if this is necessary. it's annoying but useful. the sfrooufrz have a point. it's a blurry onerefusers have a point. it's a blurry one. >> being stopped is one thing. search asked another. many cars ends up being searched. that's when it becomes unconstitutional. james, you are from the aclu. is the fourth amendment a santa
clause for civil liberties attorneys like you? what's your take? is there a gray area or is it clearcut that this is constitutional and the border patrol agents have license to do what they are doing? >> well i think they are there are a couple of issues that implicate the fourth amendment. one is whether these checkpoints are lawfully in and of themselves and many people including federal judges including at least one supreme court justice has suggested that there is no way to reconcile a suspicionless stop with innocent travelers of fourth amendment proekz. that's fundamentally at odds with the notion of living in the united states. the united states is not qatar. we have a fourth amendment for a reason. the supreme court has been suspicious of checkpoints in other settings including in a more recent case city of indianapolis versus edmond in which they say you can't set up a check find out go on a fishing expedition for all manner of criminal wrongdoing. that's exactly what we seaboarder patrol agents doing at these checkpoints.
so one question is whether the checkpoints, synthesis are, are lawfully. the other question is: are the individual stops at the checkpoints lawfully? and what we see increasingly and quite often is it that will individual stops involve systemic rachel profiling, illegal searches which violate the fourth 578dment and sometimes excessive use of force. and that is sfornlt a predictable consequence of giving wide discretion to what has become the most not otherously abusive federal law enforcement agency in the country, one that's been condemned by a growing number of federal law enforcement official. >> we have a little bit of time left. not much. terri, do we have to choose between national security and civil rights? is that a false framing of the i have been? >> absolutely not. it's very clear from the numbers from the government, itself that these internal checkpoints are very ineffective and inefficient at interdicting illegal traffic. in fact, a gao study from back
in 2008 indicated that one of the primary reasons that it's used to justify the use of these internal checkpoints is at official ports of entry, the border patrol only attempts to interenter interdict 30% so they say they need a self layer of defense. >> raises the question. why only 30% of illegal traffic at ports of entry? and the rationale for that is that they don't want to -- they don't want to interfere with border commerce and traffic too much. so, instead of doing their jobs at the border they allow knowingly allow a lot of illegal traffic to pass through so that they don't interfere with the commerce too much. >> all right. that's an entirely -- >> -- that's a bit of a different discussion than we are having right now. unfortunately, we don't have any more time for the one that we are actually having. i do want to mention however, that we did reach out to border patrol to come on the show. we did not receive a response. thanks very much to our guest, terri bretzy and james did you
have liles. still ahead, what if you could get a digital version of yourself to do your grocery shopping make appointments and call friends and family on your behalf? a leading futurist shares why he thinks that in just a couple of years, we will have our very own digital twin to track our every move and respond to our needs. >> can i show you something that will make you feel bet officer later the impact activism has on advancing human rights issues. does it lead to meaningful change? not too much of anything or in some cases, that should be a problem. stay with us.
>> al jazeera's investigative unit has tonight's exclusive report. >> stories that have impact. that make a difference. that open your world. >> this is what we do. >> america tonight. tuesday through friday. 10:00 eastern. only on al jazeera america. so. welcome back. by 20s 20, our day-to-day lives would be run by didn'tal versions of ourselves. john smart, one of the leading experts on this technology from mountain view california. >> gate to see you. >> i am not sure how i feel about having a digital doppleganger. how would a computer-based version of me even come to
exist? >> yeah. it does creep some people out to think that there is -- that software has the able toility to create something that emi am lates you but anyone who hasmmulates you but anyone who has. these are becoming cinematic in quality, the interesting thing is the computers are making maps of our language as well. if you saw the ibm jeopardize contest in 2011, that was the first time that many people many professionalsfoot in the field realize computes will be able to talk to us by the end of this decade. you know in full language sentences and that's a pretty reasonable prediction. they are not going to be very smart, but they are going to be able to converse with you. and at that point, it's very obvious to see that you can have something that actually has a simulation of you as well. >> so the conversation is going to be improving, but what kind
of things might my cyber self do for me? >> well, you know it's going to build maps. it's going to be building maps of your values of what you care about, your interests, your goals, what your plans are, and, you know when i am busy my cyber twin could take, you know take phones be my phone screener and answer a few questions to make sure that the person who is calling is not a telemarketer and let them through to me. when i am asleep my agent will be constantly monitoring all of the streams of information i am interested in. it will be making recommendations for, you know, what i read what i watch, you know, who i talk to on social networks, what i buy and even what i vote on. so these things -- >> i could be sold on this. >> we are having this conversation right now. check out my screen saba says who do you think would win in a fight between siri and cuellar
tana? >> siri because i have siri >> this is a new pepsi versus coke challenge of the 21st century? >> you know what? >> go for it. >> i hope so. i hope that basically people are going to realize that, you know there is not just siri and quitana, we have google map and viv, the people who left siri created this new twin agent called viv. they are hoping to have her online by the end 2015. so, you know, these are going to be some amazing competitions. but there will be a lot of questions about who owns the data? and, you know, how much control do you have over it? is it you or the marketers that have the control? what's the privacy level? how much are you going to let this thing record, you know, ling wifts know if i have a recording of what you have said r, raj a phone listening in a wearable phone, you know, let's say the end of this decade listens to everything you are
saying and it has two years' worth of wash. >> yeah. >> too. >> scary. two years worth of raj >> two months is too. >> once you have it all of the things you have said and your blog anyone has the e-mail the blogger who doesn't know it. mapped all of that stuff and now, you have a tip-of-the-tongue experience, a word you want to get out, your digital twin will be is able to whisper that word in your ear and 80% of the time it will be right. >> we asked our online community about this. we asked them what chores would you want outsourced to your digital twin? >> taking out the garbage. >> nothing but monitoring social media, scheduling appointments. nothing replaces however, personal relationship building. updating social media and replying to e-mails, lisa, you know, we would love that. check this out. pizza hut released a subconscious menu. give this a look. >> by the time you think you have chosen your subconscious has already done it for you.
this amazing gadget can tell which ingredients your eyes are engaging in at the longest. a tiny milli second, your pizza is revealed. >> john, we have been talking about all of these cool things. you mentioned some of the concerns. this is the point of part of the show where i can actually be a geek and lisa looks at me like a freak and i can talk about silons and skionets and hymn 9,000 and lisa stares at me like i am a crazy person. let's talk about some of these concerns. this is all of the cool stuff we talked about, our community talked about, about our digital challenge but will this deprive us of our humanity? turn against us? you mentioned privacy concerns. what should i be concerned about as a citizen about this technology? >> every single one of these interactions you have with the computer is creating a map, and those maps get smarter and then those algorithims can do things. those things can empower you and educate you or they can make you dependent and manipulated by others that have more power.
it's our choice really. if you think about that little blurb you just showed of the pizza hut sub coun shus menu the company that made that knows that you can use those, an eye tracker, to find out what your unconscious biases are. so i can find out. i can actually find out if i am using one of those whether i am you know still racist unconscious -- subconsciously. that's not information that you would want to have publically available, but it is information that could be privately useful to you because then you could train yourself out of that unconscious bias. so you think about these maps. there is constantly new maps being created by our software our stimulation -- simulations of ourselves, motion maps values maps goals maps and you want to have the most control over those so that you can use them for positive rather than negative purposes because both are going to happen. right? >> john, fascinating
conversation. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you lisa and waj. >> 202012, hashtag bring back our girls, occupy wall street still ahead, we discuss if social media campaigns like those have positively impacted the people they originally intended to help. how online activism can sometimes backfire. >> at the end of the day we're going to give you an intelligent, context driven, take on the day's news. >> then at 8:00, john seigenthaler digs deeper into the stories of the day. >> this is a complicated situation, how significant is it? >> and at 9:00, get a global perspective on the news. >> sending their government a message. >> organizing themselves. >> people say they're finally fed up. >> weeknights on al jazeera america primetime.
i am daniele:er a graphic designer, and i am in the stream . >> welcome back we at the stream with well aware of the power of social media to connect the world and exchange information, but sometimes, viral campaigns can have unintended consequences. he specially when it comes to human rights issues. kristof kuddle joins us the emergency response manager at am nesty international. he looks at the intersection of
technology and human rights. he founded amnesty citizen evidence lab, a kind of social media, forensic lab that aims to verify information shared online. and from new york elizabeth plank, scenario edit at mike news. she isol involved in online activism and has been behind several viral campaigns. thank you for being here. kristof, this is suf an interesting topic because sometimes, we, you know we aassociate the visibility and the excitement of an online campaign with its effectiveness. how do you know what works? especially when it comes to human rights campaigns? >> that's a great question. you brought it to the point that people have very very high expectations. they say social media campaigns but expectations are not equal impact. they are not on a level i think people equal metrics like alternates of numbers or campaign as well i think social media is not very new in that regard to human rights campaigning normally takes years
to really have a meaningful impact. and i think social media times people have expectations they can fix it overnight. that's unfortunately not the case. >> elizabeth, do you think that sometimes, thinking like tony 20s 12, or bring back our girls 2459 social media campaign can get so big that it actually overshadows the issue, itself? >> call me an optimist but i have a lot of hope when it comes to sort of the power of social mediaimmediate for do galvanizing social change. bring back our girls is a great example. of course we need to mention boko haram is still going out and doing harm in the world and, you know a tweet wasn't able or many tweets weren't able to stop all of that harm but, you know, it started with a hash tag and became a full-blown foreign policy issue or crisis that our government had to address publi. i mean the f.b.i. got involved. we have people who had traveled to nigeria to get some intelligence on this group.
and you can bet the 99% of people at least in america had no idea who boko haram was before this hash tag came about. so, you know, the fact that malala michelle alabama, that they are influencers and sort of important people drawing attention to this campaign i think really made a difference in the way that we talked about it at least. >> it might have made a difference in how we talked about it, kristof, but did it make a difference? >> i think it made a clear difference and agree with elizabeth, i think one impact we are looking at maybe sometimes is raising awareness. a lot of people in america and around the world about the threat of boko haram and the human rights violations they are committing. there is no doubt about that. a lot of people know about that now. so we want to encourage people to take action to write letters, call their congressmen. they know what this is about. it becomes much easier to mobilize. so what i am talking about here is i think it creates a community that is very very -- that can be very effective, i think, to have impact.
>> kristof, talking about community, our online community responded of whether this is useful. speaking about bring back our girls, still being used. we got this tweet from kevin, as a twitter hashtag bring back our girls did absolutely nothing to affect the fate of the niger wan women. "i can't breathe" was in response to the choking death of eric garner. "black lives matter" is trending. kalif says it is a catalyst that leads to organized sustained activism. look at the eric garner protests around american and saad said at the very least, it unites the people. said take palestine and ferguson for example. there is some pushback. here is amnesty international. we are you talking about bahrain, activism and twitter today that used a hashtag, bahrain february 14th.
check this out, alyssa turkey blocked twitter in response to ash tagtie blog twitter. it is used to cause awareness on human rights abuses but sometimes it causes a crackdown and more human rights abuses such as in iran in turkey pakistan and bahrain. what do you see that as the tend? how do can he navigate around that negative consequence? >> that's a really really good question. and unfortunately, or i guess fortunately in the u.s. we if that were to happen, you know, if president obama decided to make twitter unavailable for everyone i am sure there would be ald of people who would be been september about it and unfortunately, in other countries where there is less freedom of speech or where the situation is different, those things are loud to happen. i am hoping as the world becomes more social that becomes harder for governments to do. we saw some really interesting things happen at the level of
our own government, you know, where they were like trolling terrorists like the defense department made the twitter account and was like showing all of the ways that terrorism is horrible and in a way, i think the intention was good there. they wanted to use or utilize social media to drive tension -- draw attention but i think in a way it person et waited stereo times and how muslims must do these crazy these thingscraze things. we will have to navigate how government uses social media and what implications that has. >> kristof, are there right and wrong ways? >> we should be strategic and be careful how we use it. we want to be careful if we post it. we want to use it effectively but also ethically. >> all right. thank you. kristof kuddle elizabeth plank
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